NeilWJ Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 @Victor custom expression display names are the same as before, just now you can actually see the full path of the variable that has been selected (in old form they were cut off so you would never know what the var was that you picked). However the starting part in this case "Custom PCF...-." is quite space consuming so i have shortened start of all refs to PCF questions to just "PCF->" . Will be in next build. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Bridgens Posted August 24, 2018 Author Share Posted August 24, 2018 @NeilWJ - new variable picker matches the overall Hornbill theme much more than the old style. - very nice. Now if you can find a way round my value / Display problem..... Josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWJ Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 Hi Josh, Is that the ability to test the value or display (if value was from a drop down list for example)? I know there is an ongoing internal discussion on how to handle this. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 @Josh Bridgens @NeilWJ - currently when the PCF has custom forms and custom fields that are configured as lists (drop-down lists, checkboxes or radio buttons) when a user goes through the PCF (to raise a request), the answers provided will store the display of the selected item in the custom field list. It would make more sense or at least there should be a configurable option for Hornbill to store the value configured for that item of the list instead of display. But this is being discussed internally at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Bridgens Posted August 24, 2018 Author Share Posted August 24, 2018 @NeilWJ @Victor - Many Thanks. I'm sure you guys will find a way round this Josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWJ Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 @Victor But PCF ui is just a ui. I am not sure i understand why storing both the display and value is a problem. Obviously customers will have to rework conditions to use values if we provide that as an option i.e from var picker they will pick pcf->form->thefield then have an option to use value or display ... this has been going on for ages. @Gerry i think maybe we should address this as maybe a core solution rather than relying on individual application teams to do it OR well explicitly enforce that apps should store the actual value and display...simply the requirement is in itself "simple" and i am pretty sure the solution is as well as in add a new value col to captured answers table and fetch it as part of the get pfc answers workflow and update bpm designer ui to reference that new field. Job done.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Bridgens Posted August 24, 2018 Author Share Posted August 24, 2018 @NeilWJ In my instance - I am treating the "Value" and "Display" as 2 different ways of showing the same information. Display - goes out to users Value - what the BPM sees As an Example. The Simple List I have created for users ordering a printer: The information isn't correct however I am treating the display as what the customer will understand, whereas the Value is the "data" that I can control in the background. By Doing it the way I Expected it to work, I have the "Display" as the name of the item, where as the Value is the price of it. (I understand Value in this instance doesn't ACTUALLY mean price but for this PCF and BPM that would be the most logical solution for me.) What this allows me to do is manipulate the value, such as add and subtract OTHER values from and to this. (Laptop field above it which works the same way.) The user then understands what they are ordering and we can provide a fairly accurate quote immediately based on recent prices, just by updating the simple list when we get a new price list from suppliers. This is not just for the one process I am trying to implement, having both the Value and the Display as independent reference-able data would be amazing as it allows to customise what the user sees and what we see independently. Apologies for the bombardment. Josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 @Josh Bridgens - Neil was actually explaining the issue and how it can be tackled to me ... We will liaise with our teams internally to work this out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Bridgens Posted August 24, 2018 Author Share Posted August 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Victor said: We will liaise with our teams internally to work this out Ill keep me mouth shut Apologies @NeilWJ Josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 @Josh Bridgens - no need for an apology and on the contrary, the more feedback we get the better we understand how some issue or functionality affects our customers. So please do let us know of your thoughts and experience at any time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Bridgens Posted September 11, 2018 Author Share Posted September 11, 2018 Hi @Victor and @NeilWJ I know its not been long, but has there been any developments? Or is it on the back burner? Josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWJ Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 Hi @Josh Bridgens. Our SM team have a change request for it and i did asked them to review it again. I will ask one of the cab reviewers to feedback timescales. Cheers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Bridgens Posted September 13, 2018 Author Share Posted September 13, 2018 On 9/11/2018 at 9:08 PM, NeilWJ said: I will ask one of the cab reviewers to feedback timescales. Thank you for this, as our first endeavour to fulfil a need outside of IT I want to get this done right. Josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 @Josh Bridgens - if you really need this to work before the dev team implements the change, send me the PCF and the BP configuration and I'll have a look... I have an idea which might work... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Bridgens Posted September 13, 2018 Author Share Posted September 13, 2018 @Victor doesn't receive messages!!!! lol I have attached the PCF and BPM for the purchasing, these are extremely basic at the moment while I build the integral "Maths heavy" part of the calls. The later tasks are sat in another process at the moment ready to be copied over Ignore the names - this is proof of concept at the moment prospects-purchasing-capture-v2.pcf.txtprospects-laptop-purchase.bpm.txt Any ideas you may have would be greatly appreciated. Josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 @Josh Bridgens - it seems Victor's message Inbox is full again ... I have downloaded the files then removed the files from your post. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Bridgens Posted September 13, 2018 Author Share Posted September 13, 2018 32 minutes ago, Victor said: it seems Victor's message Inbox is full again All your fans? Thanks Victor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Yes, stalk... er... yes, yes, fans!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWJ Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 @Josh Bridgens CAB have got back to and I quote "it is now in the Ready for development queue and will be moved across to the developers Incoming queue when there is a space, and from this point it should be 90 days or sooner.." Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Bridgens Posted September 25, 2018 Author Share Posted September 25, 2018 On 9/17/2018 at 8:16 AM, NeilWJ said: it is now in the Ready for development queue Fantastic news, Many thanks for the fast response guys. I await the update that says this has been added! Josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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