Guest Paul Alexander Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Hello I'm trying to limit the ability to 'close' requests for our analysts, as we use the BPM to do this. I've updated the Role permissions for the analysts and removed the 'close incidents' and 'close requests' option, but they still have the option (and ability) to close them. Am I missing something? thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 @Paul Alexander 12 minutes ago, Paul Alexander said: Am I missing something? maybe another role that gives them the right to close? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Paul Alexander Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Hi @Victor I've already checked that and they're not associated to any other role which does have the ability to close tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martyn Houghton Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 @Paul Alexander I believe user permissions are cached, so would be worth checking it's not cached and log out, close browser and restart a clean session. What other roles does the user you are testing with have? Cheers Martyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Paul Alexander Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Hi @Martyn Houghton The changes were made on Friday last week so they have logged out and in again unfortunately. The other role is one very similar to the one shown, but for Service Request access, which also has the 'close request' ability removed. They ARE members of other roles but, having looked through the rights of those roles I can't see anything else relating to closing tickets. cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ehsan Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Hi @Paul Alexander, I assume that the BPM contains Requests > Update Request > Status Automated Task? In that case - Yes, regardless of the role, the Request will be closed automatically. Assuming that "Close Incidents" Application Right is enforced in this scenario - That indicates that the BPM instance could remain isolated/incomplete or break the flow as a result of insufficient rights. In such scenario, would an analyst then have to contact a team/user who have the permission to close a Request? Doesn't this remove the automation aspect of BPM orchestration and cause a delay in marking the resolution timer (if it is set up post-closure) or sending closure emails? Ofcourse your BPM may not utilise either of those two scenarios, so I understand but Automated Tasks are purposed to meet a union of most popular scenarios. Another concern I have is - If the BPM is progressed by an end-user via the Customer Portal and the Request closure fails (as a result of insufficient rights), how would the team be able to track such occurrence? If you would like to restrict the closure of a Request, how about create a Human Task (at the point where a Request is ready to be closed) that is then assigned to the team/user who have the permission to close the Request. This approach then automates the process as the team/analyst will receive a Hornbill notification (or email if an Authorisation Task is used) and act as a gateway for the team responsible to confirm that a Request is indeed ready for closure. Thanks, Ehsan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Paul Alexander Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Hi @Ehsan Our BPM's all have a 'close request after a period of time' node which waits for 5 days after a ticket is resolved before changing the status to Closed. I may be misunderstanding something here....all I'd like to do is to remove the option for analysts to update the status of a request to Closed, as there is no need for them to do it, as it's already built in to the BPM. If an end user wants to mark their own ticket as Closed (as in using the 'it's working' button on the portal) then that is fine, but we have analysts who don't seem to be able to understand the simple instruction of 'resolve the ticket, don't close it' so I'm thinking that removing the 'close' option from them altogether would be the easiest option. 1 hour ago, Ehsan said: If you would like to restrict the closure of a Request, how about create a Human Task (at the point where a Request is ready to be closed) that is then assigned to the team/user who have the permission to close the Request. This approach then automates the process as the team/analyst will receive a Hornbill notification (or email if an Authorisation Task is used) and act as a gateway for the team responsible to confirm that a Request is indeed ready for closure I understand your idea here, but what I'm getting at at the moment is that I have removed the right to close tickets from some analysts, but they still have that option. So really my question is, how come, even though I've removed the rights to close a ticket, can analysts still see that option in a ticket? thanks Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ehsan Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Hi @Paul Alexander, Are you referring to the option to resolve or close a Request via the designated action-tab in the Request page? If so, then the Application Right to "Resolve Incidents" and "Close Incidents" should be respected here. As your organisation is subscribed to our Premier Success Plan, could you please raise this with our support team, so that they can investigate this for you. In the event that this is identified as a defect rather than a configuration issue, you'll receive regular updates on the progress of the defect. As a reminder, yourself and Darren can raise a request with us via the following link: https://www.hornbill.com/support/?request/ Thanks, Ehsan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Ainsworth Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Hi @Paul Alexander I went through and recreated a customer role called Customer Desk User with the same application rights as you have in your initial image. This is the result that I get... In a Resolved state, I only have the option to Reopen and Edit the resolution. For the user that I tested this with, on their User Detail in Administration I only have the following roles... Do you have any other roles assigned to these users that might be conflicting with the rights? James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Ainsworth Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Hi @Paul Alexander I just thought I would throw this into the mix... if these users will ever have a need to close some requests but not others, You could also look to use the Lock and Unlock Request Actions... https://www.hornbill.com/blogpost/lock-and-unlock-request-actions/ James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Paul Alexander Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Hi @James Ainsworth You get in early!!! Below is the set of Roles that this particular user ha, but he still sees the 'Close' option in all tickets. I've looked through the permissions which are set on all of the Roles included here and I can't see anything obviously wrong. thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ehsan Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 @Paul Alexander Did you raise a request with our support team to investigate this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Paul Alexander Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 @Ehsan I did thanks.....just thought it'd be rude to NOT answer James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ehsan Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 @Paul Alexander Thank you. I'm actually intrigued to know the outcome of the investigation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 @Paul Alexander hmm... there is another role that gives them the right to close them... I thought you said you checked if they are associated with another role that gives them this right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Paul Alexander Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Dammit @Victor.........fancy putting that on view so EVERYONE can see it! Sorry everyone...looks like I missed this one. However...this DOES now give me an idea of how to get it sorted, so thank you for the public humiliation and an in-grained fear of ever putting anything on the forum ever again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 @Paul Alexander 18 minutes ago, Paul Alexander said: fancy putting that on view so EVERYONE can see it! Hidden now. No issue, there is no Death Star, Jedha was destroyed in a mining accident.(http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Destruction_of_Jedha_City) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Paul Alexander Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 these are not the droids you're looking for........you don't need to see his papers...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ehsan Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 @Paul Alexander Perhaps the next Hornbill user who experiences the same symptom can refer to this forum post to get an answer from the Hornbill Community, without having to create a new forum post or raise a support request Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Paul Alexander Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 @Victor and @Ehsan - I have sacrificed my good name for the benefit of everyone else. It's a price I'm willing to pay.......(however I'll double double check next time) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 47 minutes ago, Paul Alexander said: and an in-grained fear of @Paul Alexander not to worry about fear... it leads to hate... then... Yes! Also, you need to listen to this: Fear is my ally... then you will embrace the fear... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Giller Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 @DeadMeatGF hmm... only a few chosen males had the privileged of Bene Gesserit education... one of them ended up redefining the known universe ... well, the universe that will be in 10,000 yrs time anyway .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 @James Ainsworth +1 for this feature. I need to be able to remove the ability for Analysts to close requests when they are not the customer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Ainsworth Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 Thanks for the post @Keith. Victor was looking out for you and had already added you to the change as a result of an earlier incident that you had reported. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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